40 lk to invest in property but where?

ANURAG NEGI

Active Member
1. Hey friends if i want to invest about 40lk in property what would be the right project?
2. should i divide the amount in two properties as it is just for investment..
3. should i invest major amount in buying good propert and left something else...
 

kprixie

Active Member
You can pick up a flat for around 30 lakhs in the surburbs of chandigarh..like greater mohali. these places have just started developing and prices of flats are ok..at least much better than Gurgaon etc. these will appreciate over time. this investment is for a long term view like 4-5 yrs ..to get great returns. there are good builders here with good flats some relatives have made such investments. good builders here are JLPL, Unitech, Ansals, and few other local builders with good reputation. i always like to invest in property so try and keep myself informed.

Anurag...another very important tip is that if you have money handy or expect cash from an upcoming deal...then always have an investment plan handy and invest the amount promptly. few friends had sold small properties...and they did not invest promptly and very soon the cash got spent and no investments were made.
 
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Big Daddy

Super User
I am not a great fan of real estate investment because of high emotional cost these investments involve. Let's say, you invest in two properties where you do not live and these properties are vacant. Now, every month you have to visit these properties just to see if no one broke into the flats/home to live there. If you have water connection then you may have to check if there is no water pipe breakage that has flooded the flat.

Let's say that you have rented these properties. Now, you have to worry about collecting rent, listening to excuses if someone is not able to pay rent or go through the hassle to get an insolvent tenant vacated. After vacating a tenant, you then have to find a new tenant by advertising, interviewing and checking references. It will be a job without a pay.

Let's say that you have bought two adjacent apartments in Delhi. You live in one and the apartment next to you is vacant. Well, all of a sudden you will have relatives who want to vacation in Delhi and live in your vacant apartment for free! These frequent visits will increase your electricity and water bills. The word of mouth will only spread where other relatives or their friends would want to stay in your vacant apartment.

To protect your properties, you will have to pay property insurance etc. Also, real-estate is not risk free. When you are going to sell these properties, you will meet bunch of cheapsters who will try to negotiate price as low as possible. Most of north India is earthquake prone. It is nice that everything looks great but, unless you take insurance that covers your property value without the fine print excluding any acts of god, your entire investment may be wiped off in one earthquake. Real-estate also costs money to maintain. If fully furnished, you will need to spend approximately 1-2% of property value in maintenance cost (painting, replacing A/C every 10 years, washing machine, refrigerator etc.). The monsoons will rotten the wood on window frames every 10-15 years unless you use weather proof siding. Roofs can start leaking requiring repairs. Poor ventilation can lead to mold formation. Also, in worst cases you may have infestation (bed bugs may be brought in by visitors) that may require expensive treatments. If you buy properties in distant city then you will have to hire and pay a property manager to maintain the property for you (and hope that he does not abuse the terms).

Real estate is also visible property that cannot be hidden. If you were to have two kids who will get married in future then anticipate inheritance wars in your old age. If living under one roof (likely because India's population in 20-25 years will be 1.5-1.6 billion), you may see things getting worse where your kids may kick you out due to their wives' nagging for more space in house ;). If you buy two properties and have one daughter then don't be surprised that your future son-in-law asking for one property transferred into his name as part of dowry. There are endless possibilities that life can throw at you and you cannot duck under these problems because your property is a visible asset. Being a visible property, jealous people can cause damage to your property (steal water meter if located outside of your house, paint election advertisement or break windows). Just like China encroaches into Indian border to obtain concessions, the threat of damage to your property will always loom on top of your head when you interact with your neighbors/local community because relocating in case of trouble may not be an easy option.

All these risks are manageable if you plan on buying one apartment/home where you will live. Only then it may be an OK investment. Under the circumstances, I would buy one flat for 20-30 Lakhs and invest remaining 10-20 Lakhs in non-real estate investment vehicles. Ideally, I will never invest more than 25% of my net worth into real estate because real estate is not a liquid asset. When time comes to sell, you may not have buyers or buyers may not be willing to buy at the price you are selling. With stocks and bonds or even gold, you always know the market price down to every second. If real-estate buying or selling was so easy, safe and profitable then people would quit financial markets and flip homes. Also you have to worry about indian land mafia and its goons who may cause trouble to make you sell your property to them especially when property prices in and around your residence skyrocket. Real estate buying and selling requires a lot of paper work (title transfers) where you will have to lubricate indian bureaucratic machine by paying all kinds of bribes so that the machine works smoothly and efficiently for you. To avoid being a victim of fraud, you need to hire a good lawyer to verify every transaction.

There is one way to avoid all the problems and still invest in real-estate like investing in stocks and that way is through real estate investment trusts (REIT). Unfortunately, India is not a country where there are clear guidelines governing such trusts. It is possible that such offerings may become possible in near future (http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/reit-s-may-solve-india-s-real-estate-problem-knight-frank-research-113022700199_1.html) and, when these funds become available, that may be the best option to invest in real-estate. Atleast this is how I invest in the real-estate sector. A few Indian REITs were floated in International markets and no one was too optimistic about the future of Indian real estate in part because of India's poor record with permit dealings (ranking 182 out of 185 countries) and lukewarm real-estate market growth due to high price uncertainty and generally low returns in last five years (which may be due to lack of clear REIT guidelines or general corruption in Indian real-estate sector).
 
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Prasham

Armchair Traveller :(
So far the appreciation of real estate has been good enough to meet all the challenges it throws at you. Its definitely a good option but yes be cautious. Buy directly from good builders and there's not much to worry.

One rule my dad follows is don't invest in property that are more than 30 mins away by car from your office / residence. Often people buy properties in upcoming or underdeveloped areas in lure of quick and thick gains but if you can't survey it once in a while chances are you might have too much troubles later on. My dad is a reputed name in my town and we have a large family. Hence lots of relatives and friends now living in Mumbai & abroad approach him to sell off their lands / houses that they have in my town and were purchased before decades. Many of these are illegally encroached by rowdy people and hence it becomes really trouble some to get them vacated and then sell off the property.
 
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ANURAG NEGI

Active Member
You can pick up a flat for around 30 lakhs in the surburbs of chandigarh..like greater mohali. these places have just started developing and prices of flats are ok..at least much better than Gurgaon etc. these will appreciate over time. this investment is for a long term view like 4-5 yrs ..to get great returns. there are good builders here with good flats some relatives have made such investments. good builders here are JLPL, Unitech, Ansals, and few other local builders with good reputation. i always like to invest in property so try and keep myself informed.

Anurag...another very important tip is that if you have money handy or expect cash from an upcoming deal...then always have an investment plan handy and invest the amount promptly. few friends had sold small properties...and they did not invest promptly and very soon the cash got spent and no investments were made.


ithanks for the help bro
i know that its hard to save the money in hand or from land,there is a famous saying in UP
zameen ka paisa ya to zameen pecha sakti hai ya kameen
i hope there is no issue of outsider buying a builder flat
by the way any idea about the ASTHA project at baltana,zirakhpur,i am attaching the pic..


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its nect to panchkula 19sec.,2km from pachkula-kalka highway,whats your bet on this...
astha associates,Sadashiv Enclave,Baltana<zirakpur

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I am not a great fan of real estate investment because of high emotional cost these investments involve. Let's say, you invest in two properties where you do not live and these properties are vacant. Now, every month you have to visit these properties just to see if no one broke into the flats/home to live there. If you have water connection then you may have to check if there is no water pipe breakage that has flooded the flat.

Let's say that you have rented these properties. Now, you have to worry about collecting rent, listening to excuses if someone is not able to pay rent or go through the hassle to get an insolvent tenant vacated. After vacating a tenant, you then have to find a new tenant by advertising, interviewing and checking references. It will be a job without a pay.

Let's say that you have bought two adjacent apartments in Delhi. You live in one and the apartment next to you is vacant. Well, all of a sudden you will have relatives who want to vacation in Delhi and live in your vacant apartment for free! These frequent visits will increase your electricity and water bills. The word of mouth will only spread where other relatives or their friends would want to stay in your vacant apartment.

To protect your properties, you will have to pay property insurance etc. Also, real-estate is not risk free. When you are going to sell these properties, you will meet bunch of cheapsters who will try to negotiate price as low as possible. Most of north India is earthquake prone. It is nice that everything looks great but, unless you take insurance that covers your property value without the fine print excluding any acts of god, your entire investment may be wiped off in one earthquake. Real-estate also costs money to maintain. If fully furnished, you will need to spend approximately 1-2% of property value in maintenance cost (painting, replacing A/C every 10 years, washing machine, refrigerator etc.). The monsoons will rotten the wood on window frames every 10-15 years unless you use weather proof siding. Roofs can start leaking requiring repairs. Poor ventilation can lead to mold formation. Also, in worst cases you may have infestation (bed bugs may be brought in by visitors) that may require expensive treatments. If you buy properties in distant city then you will have to hire and pay a property manager to maintain the property for you (and hope that he does not abuse the terms).

Real estate is also visible property that cannot be hidden. If you were to have two kids who will get married in future then anticipate inheritance wars in your old age. If living under one roof (likely because India's population in 20-25 years will be 1.5-1.6 billion), you may see things getting worse where your kids may kick you out due to their wives' nagging for more space in house ;). If you buy two properties and have one daughter then don't be surprised that your future son-in-law asking for one property transferred into his name as part of dowry. There are endless possibilities that life can throw at you and you cannot duck under these problems because your property is a visible asset. Being a visible property, jealous people can cause damage to your property (steal water meter if located outside of your house, paint election advertisement or break windows). Just like China encroaches into Indian border to obtain concessions, the threat of damage to your property will always loom on top of your head when you interact with your neighbors/local community because relocating in case of trouble may not be an easy option.

All these risks are manageable if you plan on buying one apartment/home where you will live. Only then it may be an OK investment. Under the circumstances, I would buy one flat for 20-30 Lakhs and invest remaining 10-20 Lakhs in non-real estate investment vehicles. Ideally, I will never invest more than 25% of my net worth into real estate because real estate is not a liquid asset. When time comes to sell, you may not have buyers or buyers may not be willing to buy at the price you are selling. With stocks and bonds or even gold, you always know the market price down to every second. If real-estate buying or selling was so easy, safe and profitable then people would quit financial markets and flip homes. Also you have to worry about indian land mafia and its goons who may cause trouble to make you sell your property to them especially when property prices in and around your residence skyrocket. Real estate buying and selling requires a lot of paper work (title transfers) where you will have to lubricate indian bureaucratic machine by paying all kinds of bribes so that the machine works smoothly and efficiently for you. To avoid being a victim of fraud, you need to hire a good lawyer to verify every transaction.

There is one way to avoid all the problems and still invest in real-estate like investing in stocks and that way is through real estate investment trusts (REIT). Unfortunately, India is not a country where there are clear guidelines governing such trusts. It is possible that such offerings may become possible in near future (http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/reit-s-may-solve-india-s-real-estate-problem-knight-frank-research-113022700199_1.html) and, when these funds become available, that may be the best option to invest in real-estate. Atleast this is how I invest in the real-estate sector. A few Indian REITs were floated in International markets and no one was too optimistic about the future of Indian real estate in part because of India's poor record with permit dealings (ranking 182 out of 185 countries) and lukewarm real-estate market growth due to high price uncertainty and generally low returns in last five years (which may be due to lack of clear REIT guidelines or general corruption in Indian real-estate sector).


there is always if's and buts
RISK is is another thing which is involved every where,
any ways what would be your advice for investment then sir.....


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I am not a great fan of real estate investment because of high emotional cost these investments involve. Let's say, you invest in two properties where you do not live and these properties are vacant. Now, every month you have to visit these properties just to see if no one broke into the flats/home to live there. If you have water connection then you may have to check if there is no water pipe breakage that has flooded the flat.

Let's say that you have rented these properties. Now, you have to worry about collecting rent, listening to excuses if someone is not able to pay rent or go through the hassle to get an insolvent tenant vacated. After vacating a tenant, you then have to find a new tenant by advertising, interviewing and checking references. It will be a job without a pay.

Let's say that you have bought two adjacent apartments in Delhi. You live in one and the apartment next to you is vacant. Well, all of a sudden you will have relatives who want to vacation in Delhi and live in your vacant apartment for free! These frequent visits will increase your electricity and water bills. The word of mouth will only spread where other relatives or their friends would want to stay in your vacant apartment.

To protect your properties, you will have to pay property insurance etc. Also, real-estate is not risk free. When you are going to sell these properties, you will meet bunch of cheapsters who will try to negotiate price as low as possible. Most of north India is earthquake prone. It is nice that everything looks great but, unless you take insurance that covers your property value without the fine print excluding any acts of god, your entire investment may be wiped off in one earthquake. Real-estate also costs money to maintain. If fully furnished, you will need to spend approximately 1-2% of property value in maintenance cost (painting, replacing A/C every 10 years, washing machine, refrigerator etc.). The monsoons will rotten the wood on window frames every 10-15 years unless you use weather proof siding. Roofs can start leaking requiring repairs. Poor ventilation can lead to mold formation. Also, in worst cases you may have infestation (bed bugs may be brought in by visitors) that may require expensive treatments. If you buy properties in distant city then you will have to hire and pay a property manager to maintain the property for you (and hope that he does not abuse the terms).

Real estate is also visible property that cannot be hidden. If you were to have two kids who will get married in future then anticipate inheritance wars in your old age. If living under one roof (likely because India's population in 20-25 years will be 1.5-1.6 billion), you may see things getting worse where your kids may kick you out due to their wives' nagging for more space in house ;). If you buy two properties and have one daughter then don't be surprised that your future son-in-law asking for one property transferred into his name as part of dowry. There are endless possibilities that life can throw at you and you cannot duck under these problems because your property is a visible asset. Being a visible property, jealous people can cause damage to your property (steal water meter if located outside of your house, paint election advertisement or break windows). Just like China encroaches into Indian border to obtain concessions, the threat of damage to your property will always loom on top of your head when you interact with your neighbors/local community because relocating in case of trouble may not be an easy option.

All these risks are manageable if you plan on buying one apartment/home where you will live. Only then it may be an OK investment. Under the circumstances, I would buy one flat for 20-30 Lakhs and invest remaining 10-20 Lakhs in non-real estate investment vehicles. Ideally, I will never invest more than 25% of my net worth into real estate because real estate is not a liquid asset. When time comes to sell, you may not have buyers or buyers may not be willing to buy at the price you are selling. With stocks and bonds or even gold, you always know the market price down to every second. If real-estate buying or selling was so easy, safe and profitable then people would quit financial markets and flip homes. Also you have to worry about indian land mafia and its goons who may cause trouble to make you sell your property to them especially when property prices in and around your residence skyrocket. Real estate buying and selling requires a lot of paper work (title transfers) where you will have to lubricate indian bureaucratic machine by paying all kinds of bribes so that the machine works smoothly and efficiently for you. To avoid being a victim of fraud, you need to hire a good lawyer to verify every transaction.

There is one way to avoid all the problems and still invest in real-estate like investing in stocks and that way is through real estate investment trusts (REIT). Unfortunately, India is not a country where there are clear guidelines governing such trusts. It is possible that such offerings may become possible in near future (http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/reit-s-may-solve-india-s-real-estate-problem-knight-frank-research-113022700199_1.html) and, when these funds become available, that may be the best option to invest in real-estate. Atleast this is how I invest in the real-estate sector. A few Indian REITs were floated in International markets and no one was too optimistic about the future of Indian real estate in part because of India's poor record with permit dealings (ranking 182 out of 185 countries) and lukewarm real-estate market growth due to high price uncertainty and generally low returns in last five years (which may be due to lack of clear REIT guidelines or general corruption in Indian real-estate sector).


there is always if's and buts
RISK is is another thing which is involved every where,
any ways what would be your advice for investment then sir.....
 

hardy

Active Member
1. Hey friends if i want to invest about 40lk in property what would be the right project?
2. should i divide the amount in two properties as it is just for investment..
3. should i invest major amount in buying good propert and left something else...
Don't put all the eggs in one basket.

Buy a flat in around 30L and do FD for 10L.

You can try areas in NCR for example Greater Noida of Greater Faridabad(Naharpar) so that at least you can track it easily from where you are.
 

ANURAG NEGI

Active Member
Don't put all the eggs in one basket.

Buy a flat in around 30L and do FD for 10L.

You can try areas in NCR for example Greater Noida of Greater Faridabad(Naharpar) so that at least you can track it easily from where you are.

yes that what i am trying and looking for help

FD's is out of point as i and my wife already has a quiet a lot of them ....

that ll be good,you know any goood dealer/project by any chance,alyhough i have seen a lot at greater noida/noida extension and some at lal kaun(gaziabad)
but not happy with the locations....
 

jeetcp

Mediocre me
Which city?

If you give me more specifics, I think I can give good advice.
Till then, few things I learned hard:

1) Property is a great investment if you are buying for own use, not much fun when you purely want to earn premiums for 2-3-4-5 years and sell.
2) LAND anyday is better then flat. Though it is tough to buy and tougher to keep hold of.
3) I dislike all advices given above on "Buy flat worth 30L, and invest 10L elsewhere. Truth is, there are too less options on 30L. 40-50L is where you will get better options and in places like gurgaon, nothing at that amount.
4) Dont be lured. It is a risky game and ou are more likely to loose then earn if you get lured.
5) Buy what u can see, feel, touch and hold in hand. Promises made on "glossy brochures" remain promises. Noida extn, GN Airport, Greater faridabad-BPTP At-Al, FNG expressway etc..... There are more then 30 projects which were dreamed to be completed in 5 years and have never made it and will not even in 30 years. BUY WHAT YOU CAN TOUCH AND FEEL TODAY.
 

kprixie

Active Member
Anurag.....i dont think there is anyone who does not make investments in Property for appreciation to make money. real estate does consist of a large chunk of our investment portfolio. just make sure of the builder, location etc so that you know it will appreciate in time. i know a lot of people who buy flats for investments. we bought a flat in Gurgaon and we had no problems about us not being in the same city to keep an eye out etc etc. we were confident about the builder and would periodically get it cleaned, then put it on rent.
as for Aastha builders.....i have not heard of them at all. i am not very sure about the zirakpur Kalka highway area in terms of appreciation. ATS, SBP, SUSHMA, PARKWOODS, MAYA are some small time builders who have a decent reputation. the biggies are Ansala, Unitech, DLF etc. Mullanpur also has started deveopments and you should get decent rates there. also some of my relatives have invested in Omaxe in Mullanpur and have paid 25 lakhs for a flat or small office space and are getting 10 or 12 % returns on it. they are very happy with it. Mullanpur is behind PGI in Chandigarh. but if am not mistaken Mullanpur is in Punjab but proximity to chandigarh is very near.

just make a informed choice. good builder, good infra, good location and you cant go wrong. chandigarh is very close to delhi.
 

ANURAG NEGI

Active Member
Which city?

If you give me more specifics, I think I can give good advice.
Till then, few things I learned hard:

1) Property is a great investment if you are buying for own use, not much fun when you purely want to earn premiums for 2-3-4-5 years and sell.
2) LAND anyday is better then flat. Though it is tough to buy and tougher to keep hold of.
3) I dislike all advices given above on "Buy flat worth 30L, and invest 10L elsewhere. Truth is, there are too less options on 30L. 40-50L is where you will get better options and in places like gurgaon, nothing at that amount.
4) Dont be lured. It is a risky game and ou are more likely to loose then earn if you get lured.
5) Buy what u can see, feel, touch and hold in hand. Promises made on "glossy brochures" remain promises. Noida extn, GN Airport, Greater faridabad-BPTP At-Al, FNG expressway etc..... There are more then 30 projects which were dreamed to be completed in 5 years and have never made it and will not even in 30 years. BUY WHAT YOU CAN TOUCH AND FEEL TODAY.
Actually i put up at Mayur vihar-3,so anything near noida,gaziabad will be preferable but safer in terms of investment..
i was looing for chandigarh also because few relatives of mine stays there,who can help in looking and taking care of the property in our absence
but chandigarh would be last option will prefer near by......
any advice/help regarding this sir
 
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