Future supercars to say goodbye to gasoline

[Theloststory]

results of all seven world's greatest drag races:
(I didn’t work very hard to search for these results)

10.5 sec (201.2 km/h) - Tesla Model S P100D (680 hp) (WGDR7)
10.6 sec (217.3 km/h) - Ferrari 488 GTB (662 hp) (WGDR7)
10.6 sec (209.7 km/h) - Audi R8 V10 (Plus) (602 hp) (WGDR 6)
10.6 sec (207.6 km/h) - Porsche 911 Turbo S (580 hp) (WGDR7)
10.7 sec (212.4 km/h) - McLaren 570S (562 hp) (WGDR 6)
10.7 sec (210.8 km/h) - McLaren 570GT (562 hp) (WGDR7)
10.8 sec (212.9 km/h) - Lamborghini Aventador (691 hp) (WGDR 2)
10.8 sec (210.3 km/h) - McLaren MP4-12C (592 hp) (WGDR 2)
10.9 sec (202.8 km/h) - Porcshe 911 Turbo S (560 hp) (WGDR 4)
11.0 sec (202.8 km/h) - Nissan GTR Nismo (600 hp) (WGDR7)
11.0 sec (201.3 km/h) - Nissan GT-R Track Edition (545 hp) (WGDR 3)
11.1 sec (208.9 km/h) - Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Black Series (622 hp) (WGDR 3)
11.1 sec (201.7 km/h) - Nissan GT-R NISMO (600 hp) (WGDR 4)
11.1 sec (200.9 km/h) - Nissan GT-R Black Edition (545 hp) (WGDR 2)
11.2 sec (198.6 km/h) - Nissan GT-R (Premium) (565 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.2 sec (196 km/h) - Nissan GT-R (530 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.3 sec (202.1 km/h) - Ferrari 458 Italia (557 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.3 sec (202.5 km/h) - Audi R8 V-10 Plus (550 hp) (WGDR 3)
11.3 sec (198.9 km/h) - Acura NSX (573 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.4 sec (204.4 km/h) - Mercedes Benz AMG GT R (577 hp) (WGDR7)
11.4 sec (203.9 km/h) - Mercedes-AMG GT S (503 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.4 sec (200.2 km/h) - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (Z07) (650 hp) (WGDR 5)
11.5 sec (207.1 km/h) - Dodge Viper SRT (640 hp) (WGDR 3)
11.5 sec (201.3 km/h) - Audi R8 GT (560 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.5 sec (197.5 km/h) - Jaguar F-Type SVR (575 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.5 sec (193.9 km/h) - Porsche 911 Carrera S (420 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.5 sec (200.7 km/h) - Dodge Viper ACR (645 hp) (WGDR 6)
11.6 sec (202.3 km/h) - Ford Shelby GT500 (662 hp) (WGDR 2)
11.6 sec (192.8 km/h) - Bentley Continental GT3-R (572 hp) (WGDR 5)
11.6 sec (199.9 km/h) - Mercedes-AMG GT S (503 hp) (WGDR 5)
11.7 sec (199.7 km/h) - Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG (563 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.7 sec (197.9 km/h) - Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE (650 hp) (WGDR7)
11.7 sec (193.8 km/h) - Mercedes-Benz E63 S AMG (577 hp) (WGDR 3)
11.8 sec (196.8 km/h) - Jaguar F-Type Coupe R (550 hp) (WGDR 4)
11.9 sec (199.6 km/h) - Aston Martin DB11 (600 hp) (WGDR7)
11.9 sec (197.5 km/h) - Lexus LFA (552 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.9 sec (197.1 km/h) - Chevrolet Corvette Z06/Z07 (505 hp) (WGDR 1)
11.9 sec (196.3 km/h) - Cadillac CTS-V Sedan (640 hp) (WGDR 5)
11.9 sec (194.3 km/h) - Porcshe 911 GT3 RS (450 hp) (WGDR 1)
12.0 sec (188.5 km/h) - Porcshe 911 Сarrera S (400 hp) (WGDR 2)
12.0 sec (183.5 km/h) - Porsche 718 Cayman S (350 hp) (WGDR7)
12.1 sec (198.1 km/h) - BMW M6 (560 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.1 sec (193.4 km/h) - Jaguar F-Type V-8 S (488 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.1 sec (191.5 km/h) - Alfa Romeo Gulia (505 hp) (WGDR7)
12.1 sec (191.2 km/h) - BMW M4 GTS (493 hp) (WGDR 6)
12.1 sec (188.9 km/h) - Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (580 hp) (WGDR 2)
12.1 sec (189.3 km/h) - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Black Series (510 hp) (WGDR 2)
12.1 sec (188.5 km/h) - Bentley Continental GT Speed (616 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.2 sec (192.3 km/h) - Mercedes-AMG C63 S (503 hp) (WGDR 5)
12.2 sec (191.4 km/h) - Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R (526 hp) (WGDR 6)
12.2 sec (189.6 km/h) - BMW M4 (425 hp) (WGDR 4)
12.2 sec (186.7 km/h) - Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (460 hp) (WGDR7)
12.3 sec (188.6 km/h) - Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 (505 hp) (WGDR 4)
12.3 sec (185.4 km/h) - Porsche Cayman GT4 (385 hp) (WGDR 5)
12.3 sec (184.1 km/h) - Porsche 911 Carrera 4S (400 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.4 sec (185.6 km/h) - Aston Martin Vanquish (565 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.4 sec (185.1 km/h) - Ford Mustang BOSS 302 Laguna Seca (444 hp) (WGDR 1)
12.4 sec (183.8 km/h) - Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE (455 hp) (WGDR 6)
12.4 sec (180.4 km/h) - BMW i8 (357 hp) (WGDR 4)
12.5 sec (190.1 km/h) - Jaguar XKR-S (550 hp) (WGDR 2)
12.6 sec (183.8 km/h) - Cadillac ATS-V Coupe (464 hp) (WGDR 5)
12.7 sec (178.6 km/h) - Porcshe Cayman R (330 hp) (WGDR 1)
12.7 sec (176.6 km/h) - Porsche Cayman S (325 hp) (WGDR 3)
12.8 sec (177.4 km/h) - BMW 1-series M (335 hp) (WGDR 1)
12.8 sec (168.7 km/h) - Alfa Romeo 4C (237 hp) (WGDR 4)
12.9 sec (177.5 km/h) - Lexus RC F (467 hp) (WGDR 5)
12.9 sec (176.9 km/h) - Lotus Evora S (345 hp) (WGDR 1)
13.0 sec (175.4 km/h) - Lexus LC500 (471 hp) (WGDR7)
13.1 sec (168.8 km/h) - Volkswagen Golf R (292 hp) (WGDR 5)
13.1 sec (168 km/h) - Subaru WRX STI (305 hp) (WGDR 4)
14.5 sec (157.6 km/h) - Volkswagen Golf GTI (DSG) (217 hp) (WGDR 4)
14.5 sec (151.6 km/h) - Mazda MX-5 Miata (Club) (155 hp) (WGDR 5)
14.6 sec (154 km/h) - Ford Focus ST (252 hp) (WGDR 3)
14.9 sec (151.9 km/h) - Subaru BRZ (200 hp) (WGDR 2)
14.9 sec (152.2 km/h) - Ford Fiesta ST (197 hp) (WGDR 4)

 

[Theloststory]

All this while being a regular five sweater four door passenger car with more luggage space that any of the above cars.

You may have your prefer nice for fossil fuel cars. But electric cars are here and performing very very well.

 

[AnupamR]

Accepted about the Power and Fun to drive as I personally experienced driving one Tesla and again moved back to gasoline.

Few key factors of not being popular might be upfront cost, lack of availability and obvious range anxiety despite of Tax benefits from National/Provincial Government here in Canada.

The adoption rate is still slow and comprise less than 2% of the gasoline market.

I am not sure about other countries but here in Canada EV stations are not free and charges can vary from $2-7 per hour depending upon location/province.

Looks like they are the future but may take another 2 decades so I am enjoy my gasoline car.


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[Big Daddy]

Ten years from now, I will still be driving a gasoline car. Electric cars are not for Americans and those speeds and accelerations do not fool us. We know the science and these cars have a role to play in developing countries, but not for us. An electric battery is extremely efficient compared to gasoline/diesel for low loads. So I am not surprised if those experiments show how quickly these cars speed up, but we do not live on low loads. We want our trucks to shovel snow, haul mulch, tow trailers, etc. The efficiency of diesel and gasoline engines increases with an increase in load. The efficiency of battery-operated vehicles falls precipitously as loads increase.

The future of electric vehicles is not very bright. They still remain a gamble. If Americans do not adopt these vehicles in masses then economies of scale do not exist. This means electric cars remain expensive. China became the world's largest auto market and India was gaining steam so the initial assumption was that economies of scale can be acheived by selling electric cars in these markets without American customers. However, the government commitment to creating infrastructure for electric charge stations is not there in India. Today it may be easy to see a few cars charging at a few stations. The dynamics changes when you have millions of cars and a few hundereds of stations. Additionally, you may fill a gasoline car and drive it for a week. An electric car may need frequent/daily charging so you need even more charging stations for increased frequency of vehicle charging. It takes 5 minutes to fill a gasoline tank but it takes anywhere between 30 minutes to 8 hours to charge an electric car. So if you replace every gasoline car with electric cars in India then you need to build 400% more charging stations than the total petrol pumps that exist in India today just because electric cars need frequent charging and longer charging times. Once you have that many charging stations, only then owning an electric car will be less hassle than owning a gasoline car. The cost of real-estate will drive up charging costs as well. These stations also need regular maintenance. So what happens when India does not build that many charge stations? Well, supply-demand economics takes over. High demand and few stations mean charging stations can charge exorbitant prices. So basically, you will be left with the option of charging your car at home or go a fast charging station and pay 10 times the price. Once you limit yourself to your home charging station only (due to cost consideration) you limit your car driving radius to about 60 Kms from your home (120 Kms of total driving from home and back).

Europe and Canada encouraged electric vehicles (EV) adoption by providing free charging stations. The idea was to lower the cost of fuel to increase the adoption of these vehicles so that, once mass-produced in greater numbers, the cost of cars goes down and then governments can start charging fees at charging stations. If Biden gets elected then these countries will come to America with a begging bowl to reinstate Paris Accord where America pays subsidies and Europe can restart green industries. Unfortunately, that is less likely. America is world's largest oil producer and it has no interest in lowering demand for gasoline. It may pay lip service but America is a Capitalist country regardless of which government gets elected in a few days.

However, there may come a time when these cars get popular in America. For those times to come, America must first get self-driving cars on the road. These cars will be a great option when they are autonomous vehicles that take care of themselves. That is, they monitor their own charge levels and get charged autonomously by finding the nearest charging station using the GPS. Real time charging station usage data mashups are necessary to manage queues on charging stations as well. The 5G wireless networks provide the infrastructure for such things to happen. It will take a few years for the infrastructure to be ready nationwide. Companies like Tesla may not necessarily be valuable for their electric cars but for its related innovations in technology infrastructure, robotics and net-centric intelligence technologies. Some of these technologies may even need private company satellites to operate smoothly.

Such things will be nearly impossible to implement in India. India cannot even operate its banks without scams. The infrastructure mentioned above will be a security risk for the whole country due to hackers messing things up.

 

[AnupamR]

Sir with due respect pls elaborate the statement that Electric cars are not for US and speed and acceleration do not fool us.

Also explain what exactly motivates US car buyers, I will love to know for my knowledge only.

Thank you!!


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[deepam]

There is always some myth before people experience driving experience.

It depends on the car specs and driver capability to extract to know driving experience.

Our 1st National Diesel engine 1248 cc by Fiat capability, which took Indian people by storm!
Ritz Diesel overtook Honda Accord at 130+ kmph!! Well Ritz is very much lighter to Accord.
Point is Torque/kg matters and not Power/kg.

If electric car is speced right, one will have beautiful driving experience.

There should be a different approach to charging option.

 

[Big Daddy]

Sir with due respect pls elaborate the statement that Electric cars are not for US and speed and acceleration do not fool us.

Also explain what exactly motivates US car buyers, I will love to know for my knowledge only.

Thank you!!


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The only thing that motivates US buyers is improvement in standard of living. The USA is the largest market in the world for trucks. Most American car manufacturers survived automobile competition from Japanese cars in 1980s by focusing on building bigger and more powerful trucks.

America is a big country and American lifestyle needs trucks. Many businesses like landscaping, home improvement, etc. need trucks. By trucks I mean pickup trucks and not other trucks like dump trucks. Additionally, most people love to do camping, tailgating, etc. The list goes on and on. Electric cars are not for the USA unless the society becomes fully automated and vehicles can be hired using some utility based payment system where you do not have to own a vehicle and pay based on usage. That future is not imminent.

Here is the data on pickup sales in the USA. American truck market is $58 billion. That is 10 times bigger than the 2nd largest market (Japan).

Pickup Trucks - United States | Statista Market Forecast

1. United States	US$58,826m
2. Japan	US$5,484m
3. India	US$3,069m
4. Brazil	US$2,512m
5. South Korea	US$2,366m

 

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[AnupamR]

Paaji not only for work necessity but we prefer buying Trucks or SUV because of harsh weather as well.

Rajan Singh has shown life of Labour / Worker / Contractors etc.
Who need Big Trucks etc. badly.....
Grass Cutting Contractor needs this.
Tile / Carpet / Flooring laying also needs same.....


अमेरिका में इतने TRUCK क्यों होते हैं ? AMERICAN AND THEIR TRUCKS
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[Big Daddy]

There are many tacit reasons why Americans prefer big trucks and vans. When you have so many heavyweights on the road, a small car means nearly certain death in an accident. Most new mothers drive big vans. I will never drive a car. It must be either a truck or an SUV. I also include a tow package because you can always rent a trailer for moving things for landscaping material (mulch, lawnmower, pebbles, etc.). I also need 4 wheel drive and high horsepower to tow trailers when I rent them. I plan on using my SUV for pushing snow as well.

BTW, in cold weather EV batteries will discharge faster. A pickup truck is also good for hunting. In Alaska many people hunt to eat. During winters they use snowmobiles but trucks are useful in summer. Just throw the carcus on the bed and drive. The state of Alaska alone is bigger than half of India in area and has population less than 1 million.