Help needed: Karizma R wiring diagram

Ladakh_Maniac

Ladakh_Maniac

Well-Known Member
Hi friends,

Can any of you post a scan of wiring diagram of karizma R?
My problem is the battery drains out in a weeks time.

So far,
- I have replaced the battery which is new now - 1300 Rs I believe,
- New battery charger fitted - 1800 Rs.
- got the self starter serviced twice and the carbon (contact kit) replaced thrice - 150 X 3 + Labor,
- Battery charging done at least 4 times by now within 3 months time,
- Checked the charging rate at battery terminals at moderate RPM is >13 volts which is sufficient to charge,
- Spent 4 weekends with mechanic,
- Checked switches and other joints for proper connectivity and any cross-connections.

Net outcome is the same as it was earlier - that is battery still drains out.

Next visit will lead to replacement of alternator and later the wiring harness.

Of late, I have stopped using headlight and even parking lights to ensure that they are not culprits. Can't stop honking and brake lights.
Absolutely there is no additional load on the battery.

I suspect that there is some short circuit somewhere which needs to be traced patiently which now a days mechanics do not have.

I would be thankful to anyone who can share the wiring diagram of R so that I can systematically go about finding the fault. Or tips on resolving this if you too have faced any similar problem in the past.
 
DTPMatt

DTPMatt

Member
If anything you can get 'too strong' voltage if its dead.

Its almost certainly your reg/rec or the alternator.
 
Ladakh_Maniac

Ladakh_Maniac

Well-Known Member
DTPMatt said:
If anything you can get 'too strong' voltage if its dead.

Its almost certainly your reg/rec or the alternator.
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Matt, in fact that was the first line of investigation. The line item 2 mentioned in my action items in first post was replacement of charger which actually is rectifier/regulator. The problem still persists.

Interestingly, I came across this thread wherein one more guy has reported same problem (unresolved yet).
Hero Honda karizma rectifier problem
 
Ladakh_Maniac

Ladakh_Maniac

Well-Known Member
Are there any other Karizma R tortured brothers on this forum?
Pl illuminate me.

Keen to see if anyone can check the owner's manual and if it is there pl share with me.
I plan to spend whole of tomorrow to sort this out myself and availability of this with me will help.
 
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Faiz Ahmed

New Member
I am one Guy, Facing kind of same problem
My battery which i got by company went dead after 8 months,
then the showroom guy gave me a stand by battery to use until i get a new battery in warranty , which even went dead in a day, then i got a new battery from exide, which again started to drain out in a day.
i took my bike to private guy, who checked my rectifier and said it is not providing necessary voltage for battery to charge.

How much does the rectifier cost, and will i get a new one in warranty ??


I think HERO needs to work on its electrical systems for Karizma :(.
 
Ladakh_Maniac

Ladakh_Maniac

Well-Known Member
I am yet to find a satisfactory solution for that and with frustration and also because of an inclination for change, I bought an yr old pulsar 220 and the Karizma is bleeding to death in garage.
What I find is that no mechanic takes responsibility for the wrong diagnosis and and we pay for their foolishness too often. The root cause analysis is not done properly and they start replacing parts one after the other not exactly knowing the actual reason.
Finally I wanted to do it myself but due to lack of time I stopped investing further on that.
That said, since yours is a new bike you should not lose heart. Even HH electrician asked me to leave the bike for 2-3 days to actually diagnose the problem and was sure it should not be a costly affair provided appropriate diagnosis is done.

Well the rectifier costed me 1800 Rs a yr back. I got this in genuine pack but still am not sure of its genuineness as the HH genuine spares were unavailable in HH store and they needed two weeks time. Electrical parts do not come with guarantee, so you have to take the risk.

Some Gyan: Karizma rectifier works in three stage and that is RPM based. When RPM crosses 1500 or so the third stage one comes into play and recharge voltage output should be 14+ and even if it goes higher it is OK. May be that the first stage is giving an output of 12+ volts but is insufficient to charge the battery. Unless and until all the three stages of the rectifier output are fine the battery wont get charged.

You also need to see make sure whether there is problem is before the battery unit or after the unit. I mean if there is any electrical short circuit in the bike (say near switch box or any wearing out at other places) that may lead to battery draining post recharge.

Keep cool and leave the bike at showroom for proper diagnosis till the right solution is found. I know that it is easier said than done as I myself have lost patience.

All the best
 
gkapoor

gkapoor

Super User
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Faiz Ahmed

New Member
Ladakh_Maniac said:
I am yet to find a satisfactory solution for that and with frustration and also because of an inclination for change, I bought an yr old pulsar 220 and the Karizma is bleeding to death in garage.
What I find is that no mechanic takes responsibility for the wrong diagnosis and and we pay for their foolishness too often. The root cause analysis is not done properly and they start replacing parts one after the other not exactly knowing the actual reason.
Finally I wanted to do it myself but due to lack of time I stopped investing further on that.
That said, since yours is a new bike you should not lose heart. Even HH electrician asked me to leave the bike for 2-3 days to actually diagnose the problem and was sure it should not be a costly affair provided appropriate diagnosis is done.

Well the rectifier costed me 1800 Rs a yr back. I got this in genuine pack but still am not sure of its genuineness as the HH genuine spares were unavailable in HH store and they needed two weeks time. Electrical parts do not come with guarantee, so you have to take the risk.

Some Gyan: Karizma rectifier works in three stage and that is RPM based. When RPM crosses 1500 or so the third stage one comes into play and recharge voltage output should be 14+ and even if it goes higher it is OK. May be that the first stage is giving an output of 12+ volts but is insufficient to charge the battery. Unless and until all the three stages of the rectifier output are fine the battery wont get charged.

You also need to see make sure whether there is problem is before the battery unit or after the unit. I mean if there is any electrical short circuit in the bike (say near switch box or any wearing out at other places) that may lead to battery draining post recharge.

Keep cool and leave the bike at showroom for proper diagnosis till the right solution is found. I know that it is easier said than done as I myself have lost patience.

All the best
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Presently i am running my bike removing 15amp (HUD,Horn,Light) and one 7amp(clock) fuse preventing discharge of the battery while running and idle state.
I will give to showroom tomorrow and lets see, what miracles these people do. Never expected such electrical Failure in bike.
 
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