Mahindra Mojo

[TorqueAddict]

^Right. I have never used bullet, whats the economy on that? these guys say mojo gives 25kmpl (i suppose that is under test conditions). On roads and especially on highways if it crashes down to 20kmpl, every 300kms would require a tankfill. Its a negative for me.

R1 cant compare sir.

Well, my last post was not intended to compare Mojo with a Bullet or R1 per se, but if you want, I would say Mojo will most likely give a mileage higher than that of a Bullet.

Cant compare R1? I dont get this one. My sole purpose was to bring your attention to the fact that most motorcycles in the world have a tank of not more than 15-18 liters and not comparing Mojo with any other motorcycle, certainly not with one which costs 6 or 7 times the same.

I would appreciate if you can let me know some of the motorcycles which have larger tanks.

R1 is not a tourer in first place, unless you want to be Sjaak Lucassen

I am sorry to say I am not tracking the motorcycle with such an enthusiasm. Is M&M passing Mojo off as a tourer or is it you who believes it is a tourer? Or it is really expected to be a good tourer? I have no idea.

The only thing I wonder about is whether the motorcycles around the world (any kind) have tanks significantly larger than Mojo's tank of 15 liters. Period. I am not comparing it with any other motorcycle in any way.

BTW who's Sjaak Lukkha Sen and where does he come into picture? We were just discussing fuel tank capacity I thought.

 

[dheeraj]

BTW who's Sjaak Lukkha Sen and where does he come into picture? We were just discussing fuel tank capacity I thought.

About R1-Sjaak

 

[hacket]

I am sorry to say I am not tracking the motorcycle with such an enthusiasm. Is M&M passing Mojo off as a tourer or is it you who believes it is a tourer? Or it is really expected to be a good tourer? I have no idea.

The only thing I wonder about is whether the motorcycles around the world (any kind) have tanks significantly larger than Mojo's tank of 15 liters. Period. I am not comparing it with any other motorcycle in any way.

BTW who's Sjaak Lukkha Sen and where does he come into picture? We were just discussing fuel tank capacity I thought.

When SBK's and touring are put together, SjaakLukkha sen comes into my mind. Deeraj has already posted a link on him.

My message was fast bikes with small tanks usually don't gel with long distance touring and yet there are people who will actually tour on it.

Am speculating, Mojo would find places among tourers, probably in much smaller numbers.

IMHO, I would see mojo more as a motard/supermoto-type than a tourer.

 

[TorqueAddict]

My message was fast bikes with small tanks usually don't gel with long distance touring and yet there are people who will actually tour on it.

Am speculating, Mojo would find places among tourers, probably in much smaller numbers.

What is your definition of small tank? 15 liter tank is probably the largest capacity on any motorcycle produced in our country as on today, as far as my(Google's ?) knowledge goes.

Karizma: 15 liters
Classic 500: 13.5 liters
Pulsar 220: 15 liters

Earlier Pulsars used to come with 18 liter tanks but now they reduced the capacity to 15 liter.

Even a motorcycle as big (and as thirsty) as a Harley Davidson Road King Classic has tank of 6 gallons (about 22 liters) only.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

15 liters is probably the largest they can place on a motorcycle the size of Mojo. Of course there would always be people who would expect their motorcycles to come with a 200 liter barrel/drum but there are limitations to everything.

And, if motorcycles start coming with drums as their fuel tank, then your 'fast bikes with small tanks' would rather become 'funny looking poor handling slow bikes with large tanks'.

IMHO, I would see mojo more as a motard/supermoto-type than a tourer.

Thanks. I am already checking what that means now.

 

[darkside_of_d_sun]

Over priced by ~35K IMO. A ex-showroom price tag of 1.4 lakhs would have justified whats on offer more suitably.

 

[Yogesh Sarkar]

I guess what Hacket is talking about is the range of the motorcycle and not necessarily the petrol tank capacity! For instance, if you have a 100cc motorcycle which gives a real world average of 65kmpl, then a 10 liter fuel tank is more than sufficient for it to cover 500-600 while touring, without needing to refuel and thus would be quite an asset for tourers visiting places like Zanskar Valley!

In retrospect, 15liter petrol tank of a motorcycle, which would be giving 22-25kmpl, seems a little low, as it only translates into 330-375km range, which might not be enough to cover the Tandi - Leh distance, without spare fuel!

Here is a rather old article, which I had written quite some time back, to put things into perspective, http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/motorcycles-f13/who-needs-large-reserve-t120/

 

[TorqueAddict]

Thanks Yogesh. I very well understand what he's trying to say but dont you think there are limitations at the other end? We are looking at it only from user's perspective, without thinking about the repercussions.

There are 2 things that determine range - tank capacity and fuel efficiency.

1. Fuel efficiency is more or less invariable when we are talking about a certain motorcycle which has a certain engine/weight/gearing/rider/terrain. We can either have large engines, more power/torque + low fuel efficiency OR small engines, low power/torque + high fuel efficiency.

2. Having a larger tank is a limitation. Why otherwise do you think did Bajaj reduce the capacity from 18 liter to 15 liter? And, why cant the companies, even big ones, offer larger tanks, may be 25-30 liter right off the factory?

I have seen Bullets with 24 liter tanks, but that does not come from the factory. Larger tanks affect a lot of things: ergonomics (I hope I am using the correct word here), handling are what I can think of. Large tanks would increase the center of gravity (more so with fuel in them) and affect the handling adversely.

These are the reasons I can think of as to why the companies dont come out with motorcycles with huge ( read 25-30 liter) fuel tanks.

Do we have any examples where the motorcycles have a substantially long range; longer than the ones we have in India? As far I could notice, even motorcycles with huge engines (+ low fuel efficiency) do not come with substantially big fuel tanks, probably because of the reasons I just mentioned.

 

[dheeraj]

250-300 kms between refueling is a good enough reason to keep the capacity of the tank at 12-15 litres.People make bigger customized fuel tank to ensure that they don't face issues when on a trip and are not sure of fuelling stops

 

[komodo]

I met this BMW guy from Australia in Keylong. The fuel tank on his bike was 33 L with a reserve of 4L. But his bike was also R1200 Also he was getting 12-15Kmpl

 

[Yogesh Sarkar]

Thanks Yogesh. I very well understand what he's trying to say but dont you think there are limitations at the other end? We are looking at it only from user's perspective, without thinking about the repercussions.

It is not our job to think from company’s or designer’s perspective, in fact company officials appreciate if we leave strategies and designing etc. to them and just off load our consumer centric queries/recommendation on them (something I was personally told )!

1. Fuel efficiency is more or less invariable when we are talking about a certain motorcycle which has a certain engine/weight/gearing/rider/terrain. We can either have large engines, more power/torque + low fuel efficiency OR small engines, low power/torque + high fuel efficiency.

Not really, if Mahindra is quoting 25kmpl for Mojo, then it is quite close to the kind of fuel efficiency people used to get from BMW F650!

2. Having a larger tank is a limitation. Why otherwise do you think did Bajaj reduce the capacity from 18 liter to 15 liter? And, why cant the companies, even big ones, offer larger tanks, may be 25-30 liter right off the factory?

Because there are no touring bikes in India, all companies concentrate on city bikers and even the one which claims to produce touring motorcycle, wants to stick to design and features, which are best suited for a casual highway sprinter, than a hardcore touring buff!

See the touring motorcycles in US and other countries, they usually have a decent fuel tank capacity and then there are company produced optional fuel tanks with larger capacities!

I have seen Bullets with 24 liter tanks, but that does not come from the factory. Larger tanks affect a lot of things: ergonomics (I hope I am using the correct word here), handling are what I can think of. Large tanks would increase the center of gravity (more so with fuel in them) and affect the handling adversely.

Which is why it is best left to the company to design the tank, rather than rely on aftermarket ones!

These are the reasons I can think of as to why the companies dont come out with motorcycles with huge ( read 25-30 liter) fuel tanks.

Not really, in any case, the fuel tank that we see isn’t the only place to store fuel! It can be and is stored at various places in motorcycles available abroad, including inside the chassis!

Do we have any examples where the motorcycles have a substantially long range; longer than the ones we have in India? As far I could notice, even motorcycles with huge engines (+ low fuel efficiency) do not come with substantially big fuel tanks, probably because of the reasons I just mentioned.

Have a look at BMWs and KTMs, while they do not have too much extended range than Indian motorcycles, they do try to match them, by having larger tanks.