Scorpio VLX mHawk

[raj_5004]

Bhaiyon Mazaa aa raha hai..

A humble request.. instead to contradicting each other in every next post, why dont you start like "I would like to express" or "I have experienced".. Raj, yes this is the forum to express all your views, but Instead of starting sentences with SORRY & NO, one can express himself in better ways, which do no seem like a fight but look as discussion.. Thats my opinion, & if you try to follow it, this thread would look like a very good discussion..

Anyways, still enjoying it.. atleast we are getting enriched

i think you are right bro... i have noted your point.

 

[raj_5004]

Hey you two, can we just agree to dis-agree?!
I find it strange to see your focus on what I consider as utter trivialities! Heated ORVMs!! And you can always contort this feature to represent an indispensable SAFETY feature!

An SUV/MUV is meant for touring, and in most touring situations there are bad roads and at times no roads. Repair shops are not there for the next many many miles.

The focus, for Tourers, is invariably on RELIABILITY, and NOT bells and whistles.
So, can we stop this rather meaningless debate on 'feature-laden' SUVs and just choose according to what individual needs are?

Needless to say, in the RELIABILITY department, Tata cannot hold a candle to M&M!

i completely agree to you sir. but then i feel even Mr. torque knows that mahindras are comparitevely more reliable(am i right torque?). so when he asked about features, i just said about opinion about that.

 

[raj_5004]

I have quoted the Ex-Showroom figures from TATA Safari's website and the price is for Mumbai.



1) Power Windows at the right place and this is important ergonomically.
2) Roof mounted rear A/C and it also has the vents b/w front seats.
3) Heated outside rearview mirrors.
4) Electrically Adjustable Rear View Mirrors.
5) Demister on the front windows as well.
6) Alpine head unit IMHO better than Kenwood anyday.
7) Classy Analogue clock with lit hands.
8 Door open indicator light (Red, built into the door pad)for the traffic coming from behind.
Thats besides a more powerful engine, more space, better steering, better ride and better looks!

Coming to Scorpio:
1) Tyre pressure sensor... Isnt accurate but gives you a rough idea, nice addition, no complaints.
2) Automatic Wiper and headlights: As I said, they started on their own during the course of my test drive in bright sunlight! They might work but do I need it... is it something I cant live without?
3) Cruise Control: on a manual gearbox car? Can mahindra tell me how does it work.... the dash has no indication whatsoever if its on and if it is, what speed is it set up at? Please dont confuse it with radar guided cruise control systems in a Merc or a BMW!
4) Stupid talk thingie... it was hilarious the first time I turned on the ignition in a Scorpio "Scorpio is a powerful vehicle, Please fasten your seat belts"... yeah its a Cayenne beater. I burst out in laughter right in front of the test drive guy. Sophisticated talking technology according to Mahindra but absolutely utterly useless.
5) Body graphics.... eh on a SUV! Argh!
6) Park assist... but then its not something you cannot fit aftermarket and doesnt require any major fabrication or modifications.
You may curse Safari quality and I agree its not good but so is Scorpio's. The dashboard on a Scorpio end before it even starts. Besides have you looked at the glovebox cover... its incredibly flimsy. Next time have a look at Safari's glovebox... its coated with a damping material inside so that there's no rattle when something is kept inside.

Talking of price
Mahindra Scorpio VLX: Rs. 9.65 lakh Ex-Showroom Delhi.
Safari VTT 2.2 Dicor: 869107 Ex-Showroom Delhi

A difference of almost 1 lakh rupees.
I can go on but not in a mood to write long.

hey, i have bought both the vehicles, so i could tell you the exact pricing. that is the reason i said, check out the on-road price at a showroom near you and not from the website.

again about the features, point by point:
1) "power windows" are known as features, not their location. from ergonomic point of view, scorpio's switches have never bothered me till now .
2) how many times have u used the heated mirrors? i havent till now!
3) what do u mean by demister on all windows?
4) i feel the head unit of scorpio with pen drive and SD card compatibility is much better than safari's CD player.
5) "classy analogue clock"... is that a feature??? well, then the scorpio provides a digital clock in the instrument console itself!
6) door open, low fuel, handbrake engaged, seatbelt.. all sorts of warnings are given by scorpio's voise assist system.
i agree to the more space and better ride in the safari. but what is the use of it having a powerful engine when the scorpio in faster in both acceleration and in-gear timings? better looks, i already said that, looks are subjective and i prefer the scorpio's looks.

about scorpio's features:
1) auto headlights/wipers: they are not about that you can live without it. you can even live without an LCD screen, roof mounted vents or an A/C for that matter. it just enhances our driving experience.
2) cruise control: i do agee, they should have provided a indication, but it works fine in a manual gearbox. put the car in 5th and it will happily cruise at 50 kmph. it gets activates at speeds only above 40 kmph.
3) voise assist system: i love it! i feel its better than having indicators on instrument console.
4) body graphics: i agree, i HATE it !!!
5) reverse sensors: i know it can be fitted as an aftermarker unit. then why is a reverse camera provided in the safari? or for that matter, y are sensors provided in benz, bmw & audi? they all can get it fitted "aftermarket"...

 

[torque]

Hey you two, can we just agree to dis-agree?!
I find it strange to see your focus on what I consider as utter trivialities! Heated ORVMs!! And you can always contort this feature to represent an indispensable SAFETY feature!

Safety feature you bet... I would prefer to see whats coming behind me rather than the stupid talking thingie or automatic wipers and lights which have the mind of their own.

An SUV/MUV is meant for touring, and in most touring situations there are bad roads and at times no roads. Repair shops are not there for the next many many miles.

If reliablility is the only thing you want, Gypsy is still the king and a mountain goat bar none.

The focus, for Tourers, is invariably on RELIABILITY, and NOT bells and whistles.
So, can we stop this rather meaningless debate on 'feature-laden' SUVs and just choose according to what individual needs are?

Features... they are absolute essentials! Can you afford to drive your SUV in 45 Degree Delhi heat without an effective airconditioner?
Or for that matter drive with window mist when outside visibility is of paramount importance in a SUV?
Will you stretch to adjust the left side rearview mirror while driving?

If you ask me voice assist, automatic wiper and headlight controls and a non working cruise control are meaningless features there to just glorify the spec sheet. There is still no mention of the 4x4 availability with the Scorpio 2.2 the so called SUV.

Needless to say, in the RELIABILITY department, Tata cannot hold a candle to M&M!

Blanket statement! The niggling issues are there but that doesnt mean Tata's are unreliable. Infact far from it.... case in point the badly used and abused Indica's and Sumo which run day in and day out without even basic maintenance.
There are people on team-bhp who undertake a 6000 kms jouney in their Safari's in the blink of an eye... I wonder where they get their confidence from? Remeber steeriod.
Suman abuses his Safari on potholes day in and day out on mehrauli road taking the offbeaten bath, where sedan dont even dare to go. All Safari has to show for all this beating is an odd rattle which is fixed in the susequent service.

 

[torque]

hey, i have bought both the vehicles, so i could tell you the exact pricing. that is the reason i said, check out the on-road price at a showroom near you and not from the website.

I dont get this at all. Whats the problem in quoting the Ex-Showroom prices? Safari is not charged more for road tax or for that matter registration or anything else.

My responses in bold
again about the features, point by point:
1) "power windows" are known as features, not their location. from ergonomic point of view, scorpio's switches have never bothered me till now .
A lot of people have and that includes me. I find it ridiculous when something isnt there where its meant to be
2) how many times have u used the heated mirrors? i havent till now!
Whenever is use it, I know for sure it a hell lot more important than automatic wipers and headlights. Heck I dont see what is the big deal... its dark and I can turn on the lights!
3) what do u mean by demister on all windows?
The front windows including the outside rearview mirrors are demisted too if you turn on the defogger at the back so that all round visibility is there in every weather situation.
4) i feel the head unit of scorpio with pen drive and SD card compatibility is much better than safari's CD player.
I would prefer an Alpine head unit over Kenwood anyday. Read the reviews on quality and Kenwood stands nowhere.
5) "classy analogue clock"... is that a feature??? well, then the scorpio provides a digital clock in the instrument console itself!
No its not but I mentioned it beacause it looks classy with hands glowing in the dark. Indica has the digital clock too, show me how many cars have the analogue clock, far more classy and tasteful if you ask me
6) door open, low fuel, handbrake engaged, seatbelt.. all sorts of warnings are given by scorpio's voise assist system.
Safari has all those too but simple beeps and not some stupid lady singing praises for how powerful the scorpio is.
i agree to the more space and better ride in the safari. but what is the use of it having a powerful engine when the scorpio in faster in both acceleration and in-gear timings?
Say who? Whatever the case maybe, Safari 2.2 isnt slow
about scorpio's features:
1) auto headlights/wipers: they are not about that you can live without it. you can even live without an LCD screen, roof mounted vents or an A/C for that matter. it just enhances our driving experience.
No I cant live without roof mounted A/C sitting in the rear in the heat of delhi.
2) cruise control: i do agee, they should have provided a indication, but it works fine in a manual gearbox. put the car in 5th and it will happily cruise at 50 kmph. it gets activates at speeds only above 40 kmph.
How does a car cruising at 50 kmph in 5th gear related to cruise control? Can you take your foot off the accelerator and it will still cruise? Can you set it at a particular speed?
3) voise assist system: i love it! i feel its better than having indicators on instrument console.
Good for you
4) body graphics: i agree, i HATE it !!!
5) reverse sensors: i know it can be fitted as an aftermarker unit. then why is a reverse camera provided in the safari? or for that matter, y are sensors provided in benz, bmw & audi? they all can get it fitted "aftermarket"...
Its a camera and its a novelity. I have nowhere said its needed.
Merc, BMW, Audi????? You pay upwards of 30 lakhs for cheapest of these.

 

[raj_5004]

well, as Mr. anup rightly said, SUVs are not just about features. and this thread, which was supposed to be a SCORPIO VLX test drive thread turned out to be a scorpio v/s safari thread!!!
neways, even if the features are kept aside, i do agree to Mr. anup that safaris are not reliable. i have listed all their maintainence issues i had in my two safaris in another thread.
also, since ours is a construction company, we need these pick up jeeps at our construction sites. we used to buy mahindra bolero camper (pik-up) and lately we also bought some tata 207s. but the service costs of the tatas proved to be a bomb! also, the site drivers said it is not quite frugal and does not pull on steep inclines with heavy loads that well.
that said, lets debate on scorpio v/s safari in the thread which is posted in the "cars" section please.

 

[raj_5004]

hey torque, the ex-showroom prices are often misleading. the on-road prices give a better picture...

 

[torque]

hey torque, the ex-showroom prices are often misleading. the on-road prices give a better picture...

And I asked you why they are misleading?

 

[raj_5004]

i know you can turn on the headlights and wipers by yourself, but when the car is doing that automatically for you, its an added convenience.
i have no idea of what quality of the head unit you are talking about. i am using it for 2 years in my 2.6 Scorpio CRDe with absolutely no problems at all.
well, its not about what looks classy here and there. if the analogue clock is classy, then the bonnet scoop, theatre illumination and the voice assist is classy for me!
safari has no beeps for handbrake engaged or low fuel. even for others, it has just simple lights.
no, the safari is not slow, but since you were talking about power, i said that the scorpio is faster.
about the cruise control, it was just an example. you can set it at 130 kmph in 5th gear too!
Exactly! when you are not paying upward of 30 lakhs and still getting all these features, isnt it a novelty?? and the rear camera in safari is not good for reversing, ask your friend who own a safari and he may tell you. its got a wide focal lens.

 

[anupmathur]

Torque, Why don't you just buy the Safari and be done with it!
Nobody is trying to change your mind about it. TEHO.

I suspect that you have probably owned neither yet.

What is most important is to be HAPPY with the ride that you have chosen!