Volvo B9R

I am gonna explain you how you can get patronage in the Bus business.

1. Most TN operators eg: KPN, Rathimeena, Universal have speed locked their MAV to 90 to 100.
2. Rest like Parveen, Raahath, YBM still go at a speed of 110 to 120 for sure.
3. New comers especially who can through external funding, Leased buses etc, went out of market with in Years like Hebron, Evacay etc.

For your Scania. Some points for you to make profit.

1. Speed lock the bus at 95Kmph. This will help the bus to lower its period of Wear and Tear. Means, you dont need to put it on service every now and then

2. Take the Tuesday Nights and Wednesday mornings off. Rest Bus for a day, check for small niggles in the buses in Chennai and Bangalore.

3. Try to keep the cost as low as possible. Try to run the bus at Rs: 500 per ticket as long as possible. Ex: YBM when opened operations they started with Kodaikanal and Ooty routes with a constant price of 750 for over a year and Coimbatore Chennai for 650 covering the distance in 7 hrs with a halt.

4. Try not increase prices until that's a vacation time.

5. Prioritise the servicing of Vehicle, life of drivers and cleaners. If their behaviour is good with the passengers, you will automatically get the load.

6. Get a second vehicle Asap. Run it in the opposite. You will never know when you will get load.

7. Try to put stops at Vellore, Ambur & Krishnagiri bypass. There are a lot of passengers who would like to travel in these buses from these sections.

8. Do not operate the bus more than 2 trips a day, means MAA to BLR & BLR to MAA. Make the drivers to take rest.

9. If possible try not take any profits out, rather invest the same.

If all goes well, if you buy Sleeper go for Ashley TF2512 250 hp 950 NM chassis with Vega body. Mileage would be approx 3.7 or 3.8. Speed lock it on 100 kmph. Use it on Chennai - Pathanamthitta via Coimbatore, Ernakulam and Thiruvalla. Or Chennai - Kollam via Trivandrum.

This wll help you get profits.
Awesomee Akbar. That is some great piece of advise
 

puneeth.p

Active Member
Welcoming you as a new operator in the Omni Bus Industry @M4machine
I can see your love for Scania is endless and you also mention it as high maintenance vehicle too but with my experience its not an easy task as you think if so then many operators could have come with many scanias and company also running their plant successfully. I gives you few points on the general operation in the omni bus industry plus also the scania operational issue to tackle for your smooth operation. Writing down here for your awareness if u havent heard it anywhere else. As u said its a vehicle which ran 5 lakh km and i assume it would be a multi axle bus 2 yr old vehicle min with 49 seats

Lets breakdown the cost for Scania vehicle operating for Chennai(Siruseri) - Bangalore(Majestic) - Chennai(Siruseri) route for one round trip
1) Diesel (275 lt x 70 rs) - 19250 (taken in as 750 km on an average of 2.7 kmpl - best for scania)(kmpl goes down will add up ur diesel expenses)
2) Toll gate (to and fro) - 3100 (3 axle vehicle)
3) Driver 1 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
4) Driver 2 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
5) Cleaner (Salary+Bata) - 950
6) KA Tax (49 seats) - 2055 (1,85,000 for 3 months) (3500 rs/seat/90 days +Tax)
7) TN Tax (49 seats) - 3300 (98990 for 1 month) (2000 rs/seat/30 days + 1% + 10 rs)
8) Insurance - 450 (165000 rs for a vehicle costs 75 lakhs IDV/365 days)
9) EMI (175000/30) - 5850 (assume a bus value 70,00,000 for 4 years repayment with 10% as interest)
10) Tyre Expenses - 1095 (Calculation given below )
11) Maintenance Expens - 2625 (750 km x 3.5 rs/km) a very low maintenance cost for a scania
12) Adblu expenses BS4 - 1000 (25 lt x 40 rs)
13) Laundry Expenses - 1075 (Calculation given below )
14) Snacks pack - 1470 (water bottle 4 rs, biscuit - 5 rs, snack - 5rs, tissue 1rs = 15r/pack, 15*98 = 1470)

Total Exp 1 round trip - 41,520 rs covering all regular expenses for 98 tickets which averages 425 per seat you need to get as revenue for you apart from the 15% commission by the agents plus bus will also dont get full all days so you need to plan based on it

(Laundry Expenses - Using one seat cover and blanket for a one round trip, 49 seat cover x 7 rs = 343 rs, 49 blanket x 15 rs = 735 rs) (343+735 = 1078)
(Tyre Expenses - A set of tyre costs rs 50000 in michelin, 4 set of tyres for a bus, front tyre runs for 1,10,000 which takes 145 days to change it for front 1 set tyre, rear tyre change in 150000 which takes 200 days to change the rear 2 set tyres, {So the costs can be taken as 50000 rs for 145 days + 150000 rs for 200 days} So one day tyre expense can be calculated as 50000/145 = 345 + 150000/200 = 750 which totally comes around 345+750 = 1095

Unplanned Expenses are here as follows based on my experiences - police station plus traffic monthly bata for both cities, RTO officers monthly bata, Checkpost bata, RTO office expenses all should be paid correctly. If not paid you will get paid as RTO Check report fines which costs some 10000 upto 50000 per month by various RTO officers, Bus Parking expenses, Bus stand entry charges, Office rent, Staff rent, mobile expenses plus few other expenses too.

In Simple terms, transport business there will be an income and expenses
1) If u have more income and less expenses its a profit
2) If u have less income but more expenses its a loss
3) If u get income and the expenses equally it will be like a cat on the wall situation

Now the challenge depends on you with your planning to improve your earning overcoming the expenses you incur based on daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly.

The expenses are doubled in the last 4 years but sadly the operators havent increased the fares much only weekends fares are increased.

Now coming to operating Scania is the tougher task now a days due to high spare parts, plus poor maintenance staffs from the scania, parts unavailability which tamper your daily operations. If TATA Leyland and to the most Volvo if breakdown occurs, the experienced driver itself will make it ready plus parts available locally which makes it easy to put the bus back on road in the shortest time but Scania will take a longer time as the scania technicians only should come and make it on road. Scania closed the plant by 2017 itself and the bus manufactured by 2016 2017 are still lying Unsold. If the company has been running good then there is no need for that company to close the production plus they would have sold their vehicles on time. Even they say they will come with BS6 vehicles in future but thats also not gonna happen because there is very less market for the multi axle vehicles in the market. Once running multiaxle is a viable option but not now in current expense situation. So i suggest you not to go for a scania.

Many big experienced players like Kallada/VRL/SRS didnt go for any new purchases due to the business is not going on a profit. The losses are getting managed thru their other source of income plus the medium players are managing with the parcels to cover up their losses. Few newcomers went out of the market very soon. Only few operators who keeping up steady in expenses are sustaining in the market. Golden rule in transport industry in current situation -
* Slow and steady wins the race always eg kpn rathimeena parveen amarnath tippu sultan and few more in tamil nadu are the long runners
* Speed thrills for passengers but kills the operator very soon eg Evacay Hebron IJT Ravi and few more (it was due to high expenses than income)

If you have anymore doubts, come up with your question. plus experts also can point me out if i'm wrong in any points.
Wowww.

This is great info..takes lot of time to write n explain each in details..kudos to you

As you rightly pointed out. Operators would prefer Volvo over scania anytime. Because of availability of spares, services and also maintainance

I also love the new bharat benz sleeper coaches built by sahara or any other body builders..it looks cool :)

For a person who enters into this travels industry market, instead of directly investing huge money into volvo buses directly at beginning I would say start with sleeper coach buses and as the business goes on smoothly will have an option to buy or lease volvo buses at later stage



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Akbarabbu

Member
Awesomee Akbar. That is some great piece of advise
Some day brother.. I would do the same if I am starting the service. Hence this is my view.
I take inspiration from PARVEEN group. They have speed locked the Chennai Coimbatore VOLVO B11R & Chennai Madurai MERC 2441 SHD at 95 kmph.
Hence they are able to make profit.

But YBM ply the same routes at 100 kmph, though they don't operate Madurai. But for YBM, Customers, Employees & Assets come first. Hence they don't behind the profit always.

Hence these two survive and have constant passenger for them
 

Akbarabbu

Member
Wowww.

This is great info..takes lot of time to write n explain each in details..kudos to you

As you rightly pointed out. Operators would prefer Volvo over scania anytime. Because of availability of spares, services and also maintainance

I also love the new bharat benz sleeper coaches built by sahara or any other body builders..it looks cool :)

For a person who enters into this travels industry market, instead of directly investing huge money into volvo buses directly at beginning I would say start with sleeper coach buses and as the business goes on smoothly will have an option to buy or lease volvo buses at later stage



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Right now for Sleeper coaches operators would go for MG, as they are sturdy than Veera & Lighter than Prakash. This will help in gaining economy.
I just love the Merc Benz & SETRA buses. Hope we get the real Diamler buses soon.
 
Sad state of Chirag Travels Scania Metrolink sleeper buses rusting away @ Borivali parking. This is due to some dispute with the company and hence not in operation since last 3 months. Feel bad to see these beauties like this. Their dashboard all ripped apart as well.

 

deepam

Super User
Welcoming you as a new operator in the Omni Bus Industry @M4machine
I can see your love for Scania is endless and you also mention it as high maintenance vehicle too but with my experience its not an easy task as you think if so then many operators could have come with many scanias and company also running their plant successfully. I gives you few points on the general operation in the omni bus industry plus also the scania operational issue to tackle for your smooth operation. Writing down here for your awareness if u havent heard it anywhere else. As u said its a vehicle which ran 5 lakh km and i assume it would be a multi axle bus 2 yr old vehicle min with 49 seats

Lets breakdown the cost for Scania vehicle operating for Chennai(Siruseri) - Bangalore(Majestic) - Chennai(Siruseri) route for one round trip
1) Diesel (275 lt x 70 rs) - 19250 (taken in as 750 km on an average of 2.7 kmpl - best for scania)(kmpl goes down will add up ur diesel expenses)
2) Toll gate (to and fro) - 3100 (3 axle vehicle)
3) Driver 1 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
4) Driver 2 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
5) Cleaner (Salary+Bata) - 950
6) KA Tax (49 seats) - 2055 (1,85,000 for 3 months) (3500 rs/seat/90 days +Tax)
7) TN Tax (49 seats) - 3300 (98990 for 1 month) (2000 rs/seat/30 days + 1% + 10 rs)
8) Insurance - 450 (165000 rs for a vehicle costs 75 lakhs IDV/365 days)
9) EMI (175000/30) - 5850 (assume a bus value 70,00,000 for 4 years repayment with 10% as interest)
10) Tyre Expenses - 1095 (Calculation given below )
11) Maintenance Expens - 2625 (750 km x 3.5 rs/km) a very low maintenance cost for a scania
12) Adblu expenses BS4 - 1000 (25 lt x 40 rs)
13) Laundry Expenses - 1075 (Calculation given below )
14) Snacks pack - 1470 (water bottle 4 rs, biscuit - 5 rs, snack - 5rs, tissue 1rs = 15r/pack, 15*98 = 1470)

Total Exp 1 round trip - 41,520 rs covering all regular expenses for 98 tickets which averages 425 per seat you need to get as revenue for you apart from the 15% commission by the agents plus bus will also dont get full all days so you need to plan based on it

(Laundry Expenses - Using one seat cover and blanket for a one round trip, 49 seat cover x 7 rs = 343 rs, 49 blanket x 15 rs = 735 rs) (343+735 = 1078)
(Tyre Expenses - A set of tyre costs rs 50000 in michelin, 4 set of tyres for a bus, front tyre runs for 1,10,000 which takes 145 days to change it for front 1 set tyre, rear tyre change in 150000 which takes 200 days to change the rear 2 set tyres, {So the costs can be taken as 50000 rs for 145 days + 150000 rs for 200 days} So one day tyre expense can be calculated as 50000/145 = 345 + 150000/200 = 750 which totally comes around 345+750 = 1095

Unplanned Expenses are here as follows based on my experiences - police station plus traffic monthly bata for both cities, RTO officers monthly bata, Checkpost bata, RTO office expenses all should be paid correctly. If not paid you will get paid as RTO Check report fines which costs some 10000 upto 50000 per month by various RTO officers, Bus Parking expenses, Bus stand entry charges, Office rent, Staff rent, mobile expenses plus few other expenses too.

In Simple terms, transport business there will be an income and expenses
1) If u have more income and less expenses its a profit
2) If u have less income but more expenses its a loss
3) If u get income and the expenses equally it will be like a cat on the wall situation

Now the challenge depends on you with your planning to improve your earning overcoming the expenses you incur based on daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly.

The expenses are doubled in the last 4 years but sadly the operators havent increased the fares much only weekends fares are increased.

Now coming to operating Scania is the tougher task now a days due to high spare parts, plus poor maintenance staffs from the scania, parts unavailability which tamper your daily operations. If TATA Leyland and to the most Volvo if breakdown occurs, the experienced driver itself will make it ready plus parts available locally which makes it easy to put the bus back on road in the shortest time but Scania will take a longer time as the scania technicians only should come and make it on road. Scania closed the plant by 2017 itself and the bus manufactured by 2016 2017 are still lying Unsold. If the company has been running good then there is no need for that company to close the production plus they would have sold their vehicles on time. Even they say they will come with BS6 vehicles in future but thats also not gonna happen because there is very less market for the multi axle vehicles in the market. Once running multiaxle is a viable option but not now in current expense situation. So i suggest you not to go for a scania.

Many big experienced players like Kallada/VRL/SRS didnt go for any new purchases due to the business is not going on a profit. The losses are getting managed thru their other source of income plus the medium players are managing with the parcels to cover up their losses. Few newcomers went out of the market very soon. Only few operators who keeping up steady in expenses are sustaining in the market. Golden rule in transport industry in current situation -
* Slow and steady wins the race always eg kpn rathimeena parveen amarnath tippu sultan and few more in tamil nadu are the long runners
* Speed thrills for passengers but kills the operator very soon eg Evacay Hebron IJT Ravi and few more (it was due to high expenses than income)

If you have anymore doubts, come up with your question. plus experts also can point me out if i'm wrong in any points.
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@Ram Vijay
Well said & detailed. Thank you for sharing in this discussion Forum.
I am tempted to copy and store this information.

@M4machine - Please understand in detail from this post. It has come from the owner who owns and operates Volvo B11R Sleeper, Scania and AL buses on various routes. Includes Bangalore-Chennai service. What more questions and clarifications, do you expect?
Also @Akbarabbu has provided you further details,
 
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@Ram Vijay
Well said & detailed. Thank you for sharing in this discussion Forum.
I am tempted to copy and store this information.

@M4machine - Please understand in detail from this post. It has come from the owner who owns and operates Volvo B11R Sleeper, Scania and AL buses on various routes. Includes Bangalore-Chennai service. What more questions and clarifications, do you expect?
Also @Akbarabbu has provided you further details,
Just out of curiosity what is the name of the travels company that Ram Vijay sir operates?
 

sudhirpsg

Earn to live don't live to earn.
Welcoming you as a new operator in the Omni Bus Industry @M4machine
I can see your love for Scania is endless and you also mention it as high maintenance vehicle too but with my experience its not an easy task as you think if so then many operators could have come with many scanias and company also running their plant successfully. I gives you few points on the general operation in the omni bus industry plus also the scania operational issue to tackle for your smooth operation. Writing down here for your awareness if u havent heard it anywhere else. As u said its a vehicle which ran 5 lakh km and i assume it would be a multi axle bus 2 yr old vehicle min with 49 seats

Lets breakdown the cost for Scania vehicle operating for Chennai(Siruseri) - Bangalore(Majestic) - Chennai(Siruseri) route for one round trip
1) Diesel (275 lt x 70 rs) - 19250 (taken in as 750 km on an average of 2.7 kmpl - best for scania)(kmpl goes down will add up ur diesel expenses)
2) Toll gate (to and fro) - 3100 (3 axle vehicle)
3) Driver 1 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
4) Driver 2 (Salary+Bata) - 1200
5) Cleaner (Salary+Bata) - 950
6) KA Tax (49 seats) - 2055 (1,85,000 for 3 months) (3500 rs/seat/90 days +Tax)
7) TN Tax (49 seats) - 3300 (98990 for 1 month) (2000 rs/seat/30 days + 1% + 10 rs)
8) Insurance - 450 (165000 rs for a vehicle costs 75 lakhs IDV/365 days)
9) EMI (175000/30) - 5850 (assume a bus value 70,00,000 for 4 years repayment with 10% as interest)
10) Tyre Expenses - 1095 (Calculation given below )
11) Maintenance Expens - 2625 (750 km x 3.5 rs/km) a very low maintenance cost for a scania
12) Adblu expenses BS4 - 1000 (25 lt x 40 rs)
13) Laundry Expenses - 1075 (Calculation given below )
14) Snacks pack - 1470 (water bottle 4 rs, biscuit - 5 rs, snack - 5rs, tissue 1rs = 15r/pack, 15*98 = 1470)

Total Exp 1 round trip - 41,520 rs covering all regular expenses for 98 tickets which averages 425 per seat you need to get as revenue for you apart from the 15% commission by the agents plus bus will also dont get full all days so you need to plan based on it

(Laundry Expenses - Using one seat cover and blanket for a one round trip, 49 seat cover x 7 rs = 343 rs, 49 blanket x 15 rs = 735 rs) (343+735 = 1078)
(Tyre Expenses - A set of tyre costs rs 50000 in michelin, 4 set of tyres for a bus, front tyre runs for 1,10,000 which takes 145 days to change it for front 1 set tyre, rear tyre change in 150000 which takes 200 days to change the rear 2 set tyres, {So the costs can be taken as 50000 rs for 145 days + 150000 rs for 200 days} So one day tyre expense can be calculated as 50000/145 = 345 + 150000/200 = 750 which totally comes around 345+750 = 1095

Unplanned Expenses are here as follows based on my experiences - police station plus traffic monthly bata for both cities, RTO officers monthly bata, Checkpost bata, RTO office expenses all should be paid correctly. If not paid you will get paid as RTO Check report fines which costs some 10000 upto 50000 per month by various RTO officers, Bus Parking expenses, Bus stand entry charges, Office rent, Staff rent, mobile expenses plus few other expenses too.

In Simple terms, transport business there will be an income and expenses
1) If u have more income and less expenses its a profit
2) If u have less income but more expenses its a loss
3) If u get income and the expenses equally it will be like a cat on the wall situation

Now the challenge depends on you with your planning to improve your earning overcoming the expenses you incur based on daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly.

The expenses are doubled in the last 4 years but sadly the operators havent increased the fares much only weekends fares are increased.

Now coming to operating Scania is the tougher task now a days due to high spare parts, plus poor maintenance staffs from the scania, parts unavailability which tamper your daily operations. If TATA Leyland and to the most Volvo if breakdown occurs, the experienced driver itself will make it ready plus parts available locally which makes it easy to put the bus back on road in the shortest time but Scania will take a longer time as the scania technicians only should come and make it on road. Scania closed the plant by 2017 itself and the bus manufactured by 2016 2017 are still lying Unsold. If the company has been running good then there is no need for that company to close the production plus they would have sold their vehicles on time. Even they say they will come with BS6 vehicles in future but thats also not gonna happen because there is very less market for the multi axle vehicles in the market. Once running multiaxle is a viable option but not now in current expense situation. So i suggest you not to go for a scania.

Many big experienced players like Kallada/VRL/SRS didnt go for any new purchases due to the business is not going on a profit. The losses are getting managed thru their other source of income plus the medium players are managing with the parcels to cover up their losses. Few newcomers went out of the market very soon. Only few operators who keeping up steady in expenses are sustaining in the market. Golden rule in transport industry in current situation -
* Slow and steady wins the race always eg kpn rathimeena parveen amarnath tippu sultan and few more in tamil nadu are the long runners
* Speed thrills for passengers but kills the operator very soon eg Evacay Hebron IJT Ravi and few more (it was due to high expenses than income)

If you have anymore doubts, come up with your question. plus experts also can point me out if i'm wrong in any points.
That was a solid explanation anna. Welcome back to the forum seeing your posts after a long time :)
 
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